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Jul 21, 2012 14:36:48 GMT -5
Post by Kyubey on Jul 21, 2012 14:36:48 GMT -5
If everyone was a rational and intelligent individual, then what you're saying would make perfect sense. I guess I'm not a trusting person, because I just see concealed weapons as a potential tragedy in the making, even if the gun owner means well. It would be nice if everyone just bought guns with the intent of only using it as a threat, but there will always be accidents, there will always be people who don't know any better, and there will always be people who have serious untreated mental disorders, and most of the time we simply can't tell who they are until the trigger's already been pulled. As I have said before, it's not too hard to take basic safety precautions, and something and inherently dangerous as guns shouldn't be seen as just an easy way out.
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Jul 21, 2012 17:04:41 GMT -5
Post by Hitotsumami on Jul 21, 2012 17:04:41 GMT -5
This is completely true and you're absolutely right. It is just that the people who don't have those issues and who use guns for protection every year highly outweigh those who are screwed up.
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Jul 21, 2012 17:30:45 GMT -5
Post by Kyubey on Jul 21, 2012 17:30:45 GMT -5
This is completely true and you're absolutely right. It is just that the people who don't have those issues and who use guns for protection every year highly outweigh those who are screwed up. But I still think the number's high enough for us to maybe stop and think that the system we have in place now just might be able to be improved, right?
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Jul 21, 2012 17:54:32 GMT -5
Post by Hitotsumami on Jul 21, 2012 17:54:32 GMT -5
Yeah, you're right. I think we should do anything we can to lower the rate of criminals getting their hands on guns. Thorough background checks, only allowing certain types of guns to be used as concealed weapons, all of that.
I agree with that.
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Jul 23, 2012 14:17:27 GMT -5
Post by Kyubey on Jul 23, 2012 14:17:27 GMT -5
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Jul 23, 2012 17:12:12 GMT -5
Post by Shark a' Pult on Jul 23, 2012 17:12:12 GMT -5
I had this really long worked out response in which among other things I ripped Kylor a new asshole because he is the wrongest person here, but I kind of got bored writing it all so I just gave up. I'll summarize it more or less.
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My family went through the LA race riots. We watched the police leave, we watched the collapse of social order, and we watched as the rioters came. My dad had to sit with guns to protect the house, and he had to take pot shots every once in awhile when rioters and looters came, to keep them out of the area. He said the thing he remembers most form that time, was how he was getting calls nonstop from friends and people where we lived, asking for guns because they had none and felt in danger. We saw that you couldn't rely on the government to protect you, the only person who could guarantee your safety was yourself, and the only viable way to do that was with a gun.
Coming from someone who knows how to operate and has fired guns, it's unrealistic to believe that a handgun can protect you in a situation like this. There's a saying that roughly goes, a handgun's only use is to get you to your rifle. To own a pistol, to know how to use and and have a carriers permit is good. But you seriously can't rely on it to protect you other than as a means of deterrence. The last thing you ever want is a firefight, and a pistol won't cut it. That doesn't mean I condone people walking around with rifles, but you should always be allowed to own them for home protection.
Now the problem with recent events has nothing to do with gun control. The guy who did the shooting was a Phd student with no past of crime or confirmed mental instability, on paper a model citizen. As I understand it he purchased the AR legally, passed the background check and fulfilled all the requirements. That he snapped and went on a rampage has nothing to do with the gun control process. As a society that allows gun ownership, you will always have this problem, of psychopaths that you simply cannot prevent unless you completely ban guns altogether. Again though, this is not a reasonable, or even possible solution. It's a shame, but it's the price you have to pay for living in a gun society.
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As for my personal opinion, there are 2 main reasons I support the right to own guns, from a philosophical standpoint;
1. Military deterrent 2. Governmental deterrent
Both of these reasons are pretty situational but I feel they are very important, and enough to warrant my support for the right to bear arms.
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